Hello, This will be my first and foremost post. I've been looking at the forum a lot lately, looking for suitable toner and moisturizer for myself and maybe find a suitable facial place. And I come across this forum which happen to be among the top of list for updated forums today. I am using MIOR bar myself, and I think it works for me. At least for the cleansing part. I do think that if you want to further tighten pores and keep your face moisturise, you do need to add on to the bar. I did not experience anything exaggerately miraculous, except that it did make my face more radiant and it kept my face clean for the day. I guess there is no point to argue here. Product works for some people, it doesn't for another. Everyone has different skin type, and therefore will be suited for different kind of products. Those that are trying to sell your products, I don't think it's gonna work here. Maybe you should try your luck somewhere.